Faceoff, Break up, and Eat


After watching the newest Nightline Faceoff, Is It Okay to be Fat?, I had so many thoughts!  I was actually taking notes as I watched, and instead of trying to turn them into some sort of organized post, I am just going to copy them here, make them into a bulleted list, and elaborate from there.

  • not having issues is not the same as healthy — one of the panelists, who was on the side of fat acceptance and was significantly overweight, insisted that she was both fat and healthy.  My argument is that there is a difference between being healthy and just not having issues.  Given the proven strain on your system, how can you possibly be considered healthy when you’re carrying around 100+ pounds of extra weight?  Even if you are not suffering from issues, I find it hard to believe you won’t have some complications.  Also, even if you are “healthy” by some standards, wouldn’t you be significantly more so?  This is personal for me, because I have great numbers when it comes to cholesterol, heart rate, etc…  On paper, I am healthy.  That is even more motivation to get to a healthy weight for me, because I feel like if I am this “healthy” right now, how much better will it be when I am at a weight that doesn’t put so much excess strain on my body?
  • what about all of the people who say they feel so much better after loss — the two panelists on the side of fat acceptance kept pushing the idea that diets are unhealthy and terrible for you.  While I agree that a diet could be damaging if done incorrectly, I think they are totally overlooking all the people (like Roni, or panelist Kim Bensen) who say they have never felt better now that they’ve reached a healthy weight and are living healthy lifestyles.  Of course, as one panelist kept insisting, anorexia is terribly harmful, but no one is suggesting that the opposite of fat is anorexic.  Try for healthy?
  • food labels and paying attention to numbers does not mean obsession – being aware of what you put into your body in a real, informed way is responsible, intelligent, and necessary – w/o this info no one can be sure — this one is sort of self explanatory.  Without food labels and nutritional info, I would be lost and be getting heavier by the minute.  I need the help and guidance they provide.  How else would I know what I am taking in?
  • there IS a relationship between weight and health — one of the panelists insisted over and over that it was wrong to draw a correlation between weight and health.  Although I agree with her that there are a lot of factors that go into determining a person’s overall health, I also agree with another panelist who pointed out that weight is a good first step, an excellent initial screening to determine risk factors.
  • you are born with obesity??? why are more people overweight now than 50 years ago? — the fat acceptance panelists kept arguing that obesity is something you are born with.  I do think some people have an easier time gaining weight than others, because we all have a different metabolism, but there is no way we as a species have changed so much that the HUGE increase in obesity over the last fifty years can be contributed to the gene pool.  I think it has much more to do with convenience foods, fast food, and the increasing popularity of indoor activities that keep children sitting down.
  • all bodies stabilize at different levels and can be taught to restabilize, thus plateaus — this was in answer to the panelists’ suggestion that being fat was where their bodies were happiest.  Is my body struggling to stay where it is right now?  Absolutely.  If I push it a little and lose some weight, will it be equally stable at a lower weight?  Yep.
  • there has to be some dishonesty here – how does an 11 year old boy become 50 lbs overweight when active and healthy — one of the panelists used an example of an acquaintance who had a young son who was being “pushed” by his doctor to lose weight.  The boy is eleven and, despite being described as active and healthy, was 50+ pounds overweight.  That is a lot of extra weight on a young body.  Unless he has a glandular disorder or a thyroid problem, I find it very difficult to believe he is regularly active and eating well with that much extra weight.  I just have yet to see a person who is eating well and exercising daily who is carrying around more than an extra five or ten pounds.  Am I wrong here?
  • why won’t she answer specific questions about her own diet and exercise? — the heaviest panelist was asked time and again to explain herself, as she kept insisting she followed a healthy eating and exercise plan, but she refused to say what she ate and how/how often she exercised.  Frankly, I don’t care if she is healthy or not, but she kept claiming that she was healthy and still fat, so others wanted an explanation and she wouldn’t provide one.  This made her seem awfully shifty.
  • i heart kim bensen — no really, I do.  I never followed her site or signed up for her emails until I saw this.  She kept it together, could easily back up her statements, and just wants people to be healthy.
  • i am terrified of being that girl, of being passionate about being comfortable in my own fat but unable to truly defend it, so not really comfy — As I watched the heaviest panelist vehemently defend her weight, I realized I have a terrible fear of becoming that girl.  I fear becoming the girl who is so heavy that she has to constantly defend herself, but can’t really do so and instead covers with lots of awkward jokes, inappropriately times laughter, and roundabout answers that don’t really answer anything.
  • 95 percent have no success with loss, but that does not mean the methods do not work — several people, including an audience member, mentioned that diets have a 95 percent fail rate.  The problem with this statistic is that it isn’t about the number of people who fail.  It isn’t that people are all being perfect on their diets, following the plans, exercising regularly, and still mostly failing.  That 95 percent includes the people who give up, give in, stop trying, or never did it right in the first place.  So it isn’t really a fair measure of the success rate of diets.  I’d like to hear about the long term success rates for diets, only including the people who kept going and kept trying and kept moving.
  • organic does not necessarily equal healthy — the term “organic” was thrown around a lot, specifically by one of the fat acceptance panelists who called her diet organic.  Dude, they make organic cheetos.  So, yeah…
  • women find it difficult to get up in the morning? stop projecting — the plus sized model panelist claimed that the other side was creating a culture of negative body image and making women feel awful about their bodies, which is terrible since women already find it difficult just to get up in the mornings.  What?  Come again?  I don’t find it difficult to get up in the morning at all.  Okay, I like sleep… but I don’t dread living.  That seemed like such a projection to me.  And also extremely ironic, since here is the plus sized model (who might have been a size ten on a fat day) claiming that the doctor and successful weight loss blogger were the ones perpetuating negative body image.
  • prejudice over size ten? i am a 16 and have zero social/public issue. if so, is it really about size, or is it about personal hangups? — This was from the plus sized model, who said she suffers from a lot of size prejudice.  Maybe she does because of her industry, and I am also not trying to say that there isn’t fat discrimination out there.  However, I am a size 16, recently an 18, who never has an issue.  No one ever treats me badly, makes fun of me, looks at me wrong.  People aren’t unkind or dismissive.  No one suggests I use a sturdier seat or stop eating french fries.  I get the same treatment I always have, regardless of my size.  It just makes me feel like the idea of discrimination against larger people is blown out of proportion in terms of the every day experience of the average overweight person.
  • focus on babies/kids!!  yay! — I liked what one panelist said about stopping the fat talk and just focusing on making sure our children are health.  This is definitely the way to go, and is the whole motivation behind my journey to healthy.  I want Evi to grow up in a household where eating healthy food and getting regular exercise is so routine that she doesn’t even really think about it.
  • food should be enjoyable – and it IS — the fat acceptance panelists argued that food should be enjoyable and pleasurable.  But it IS.  I get one million times more satisfaction out of my food when I seek out and make flavorful healthy foods.  The tastes are richer, and I feel so much better afterward.  I don’t end up with horrible gas or cramps from taking in huge amounts of fat.  I feel fueled and energized instead of weighed down.  I still want a gooey brownie every now and then, but then I have one!
Whew.  Clearly that got me all riled up…  on to the break up.
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I am breaking up with my trainer.  Mia, my YourselfFitness trainer on Xbox, is fired.


I’ve just been getting BORED with the workouts, and not feeling well worked afterward.  The routines switched between being overly, painfully repetitive and being too easy.  Flip flopping from three minutes of jumping jacks with no break (which I can’t do) and five minutes of step touch and turn steps (I might as well be sitting on the couch) made me feel like it was a waste of time.  The more I did other workouts, the more I liked the feeling of sweating my face off for a half hour and feeling amazing afterward.  So now I am on to all On Demand workouts, and mostly the Enviga series.
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And finally, the new recipe.


Egg/plant Pizza
  • 1 tbsp dry yeast
  • 1/8 tsp sugar
  • 1 cup warm water, divided
  • 3 cups all purpose flour
  • 1 tsp salt
  • cooking spray
  • 1/2 cup tomato sauce
  • 1 tsp garlic powder
  • 1 tbsp Italian seasoning
  • 1 medium eggplant, sliced thinly
  • 1/2 cup reduced fat mozzarella
  • 21 turkey pepperoni
  • 3 large eggs
Dissolve yeast and sugar in half a cup of warm water in a large bowl, let stand 5 minutes. Add flour, salt, and remaining water to yeast mixture and stir until dough forms. Knead in bowl until smooth and elastic, about ten minutes, adding water if needed. Spray dough with cooking spray and turn to coat.  Cover and let rise in a warm place, 85 degrees or more, for an hour or until doubled in size. Gently press with a finger to check, if indention stays, the dough is risen.


Preheat oven to 450. Roll dough out onto a cookie sheet or pizza stone sprayed with cooking spray. Top with tomato sauce, garlic, and Italian seasoning. Add eggplant slices in a single layer. Top with half of the cheese, pepperoni, and the remaining cheese. Crack eggs over top of pizza.  Cook for 12-15 minutes or until eggs are cooked and cheese is melted.


Makes four servings, 9 points per serving.


This pizza was great.  Very large servings, super filling, and a great taste!
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8 Responses

  1. I watched the same thing on Nightline. Honestly, the heaviest panelist made me rather angry. She wanted people to take her seriously and yet she was all fluff in what she had to say. She didn’t back anything up and the fact that she outright stated that she thought doctors and medical science was wrong (in the concept that being overweight can be harmful to the organs of our body and how the body functions) made her look like an idiot. (As someone who struggles with weight, herself, I wanted to see logical, well thought out answers from this woman and got zilch on that score).
    I liked a lot about what the plus sized model had to say. I think her name was Rachel. I agreed with her notion that bodies have different set points at birth (you can see some of this in the fact that a lot of women end up looking a lot like their moms, not just in features but in size later in life). Granted, I don’t think anyone’s set point is so high as to be ‘morbidly obese’. I’ve a family member who struggled with anorexia and bulemia and I can very much agree that the media does reinforce the idea of being too thin. (size two or zero is too small, unless you are one of the few people who do have small bone structure, then I can concede that it is normal for you). I also kind of find it sad that the ‘plus sized’ model was a size 12. I don’t think of that size as ‘plus’ at all (which might be personal bias since I was a 10/12 throughout college and into marriage). Out of all the panelists I think she looked the healthiest cuz she had curves but wasn’t plush.
    Kim Benson scared me. (If she was the one I’m thinking she was, the one with the overweight family who was pushing herself so hard to stay super thin). What bothered me were two things: I don’t think you should have to run four miles a day and consider that ‘general exercise’ (which is what she stated her routine was). I’m not sure taking in only 11-1200 calories a day is healthy if you’re already that thin (you may be starving your body more than helping it by then) and I was honestly bothered by the fact that she couldn’t see past any point of view other than her own. I was also irked by the fact that she kept throwing around statistics that when they were fact checked kept proving she was skewing her information (and a few times outright ignoring the data conclusions altogether).
    I did, however like the last panelist, the one who had lost all the weight and had been on both sides of the fence. I felt that she, and the plus sized model were the most well-balanced of the four panelists. Maybe it’s because extremists in all forms scare me. (I don’t see the four mile a day runner as not being an extreme health nazi to her kids. I see it as probably she might mess up their body image if they gained just a little weight because she’d freak out about it due to her family background).
    Thanks for letting me share my thoughts!

    • I totally agree with you, the heaviest girl just looked ridiculous, and therefore made her cause seem ridiculous as well.

      At first I thought I liked the model, but in the end I felt like she couldn’t really back up her statements any more than the other girl… I do think we all have different “happy” points, but that those happy points can all be within our healthy weight ranges. I also think that the fact that a lot of women end up looking like their mothers in terms of body type is very much based on the environment growing up. Most people eat the way they did growing up, so of course their bodies look the same, they are eating the same food and generally following the same activity patterns. The media does enforce ridiculous bodies, but I am not sure society does, and I think that is an important difference. But no, a plus is not (or shouldn’t be) a 12.

      Kim Bensen was the other woman. The one with the fat family was… I don’t remember her name… someone else. Kim Bensen was the blogger who had lost a bunch of weight. As for the scary woman, I agree that she was too intense. However, she didn’t say that everyone should run four miles a day, but that for her she needed to in order to eat the way she wants. I think that is a super important point. We have to decide what is important to us. If I want to be healthy AND eat donuts, I have to exercise a lot more than if I want to be healthy and eat a good balanced diet. She said she takes in 1800 calories per day, and that if she weren’t running it would be closer to 1300. The formula she provided, where you take your weight as a basis for how many calories you need, is a pretty well established one for maintaining healthy weight. I do agree, though, that she misused science and was not willing to listen, so she did nearly as much damage to her cause as the heaviest girl did to hers.

      That last panelist who you liked was Kim Bensen, my new favorite weight loss blogger. I think if the conversation had been between her and the model, I would have been less irked and more informed.

      Thanks for the long reply. I love when people really get into what I have to say!

  2. i saw your post earlier on blog to lose, but being at work i was unable to watch the debate until now… i’m so glad i did! it got me riled up too! i was actually talking to my computer… anyways, i completely agree with you, how can you be healthy and that far overweight?? i mean, we’re not talking a couple pounds, we’re talking obese! that woman on the panel that was a ‘fat’ advocate was out of her mind… i realize that her numbers may look ok right now on paper, but wait so many years after carrying around that weight… that can’t possibly be good for the heart…

    and there’s a difference between dieting and being on a healthy diet plan.. i like how weight watchers says stop dieting start living (even though i have a hard time with that on some days due to sugar cravings 🙂 )… diets can be damaging because of the ups and downs and addiction to being thin and anorexia that can develop, etc… but no one on the other side of that panel disagreed with that.. so to that plus sized model, whose name is crystal by the way, just because being underweight isn’t healthy doesn’t mean being overweight IS!

    i also agree with you on the being born with obesity in our genes too! there’s no way any human could be obese if he/she chooses to eat appropriately and exercise regularly… also, i read somewhere that there is very little regulation on what can be labeled organic, just to support what you were talking about there as well…

    overall, i was pretty appalled by what that ‘fat’ advocate had to say in her defense… i seriously think she was more of an advocate for equality and nicer treatment by society than what should be determined as healthy and unhealthy… i also wasn’t too impressed with meme roth (the one with the obese family), but at least she made her points based on actual data and proven information, rather than just self-pity…

    i would never want to be called fat… i would never want to be outcasted or hurt emotionally… but i also know the reality of my choices and decisions… which is why i blog about weight loss, have joined weight watchers, am a member of my local y, etc… i wouldn’t want all those issues with the word ‘fat’ blind me from being healthy and continuing to strive to be as healthy as possible… thanks for posting that video, i feel very informed and educated! it started a great debate between my husband and i also…

    • Thanks for coming by to comment. I am so glad you agreed with me. Sometimes I watch this sort of thing and wonder if I am the only one who thinks it’s ridiculous! I’m glad I got you and your husband into a healthy debate!

  3. I didn’t watch the show, but I love your bullet points. It is not possible for a person to be healthy AND fat. You’re right, just because a person doesn’t have any physical symptoms doesn’t mean your body is operating at its capacity. // I do think there is a prejudice when it comes to size, and I love the fact that you haven’t experienced it, I think that speaks to your own self-esteem. You hit the nail on the head with the success/failure of “diets” — its the same reason people keep going back to the plans that they had ANY success with in the past (why we see so many REPEAT Weight Watcher Members, lets say) because they KNOW the plan didn’t fail them, when they followed the plan. // I heart Kim Bensen too. She’s REAL and she makes GREAT bagels. Try them!

  4. Thanks for this! I totally missed the show… gonna watch now!

  5. While I agree that just because you’re overweight and don’t have any physical symptoms that your body is operating at capacity, I don’t think that you’re healthy just because you’re thin and that’s the assumption that people make.

    I also don’t think Marianne made the best presentation but I support the fat acceptance movement because it’s about being accepted as you are right now. I’ve lost 100lbs and have kept if off but body acceptance was critical to my weight loss. People do not have the right to treat you badly just because they don’t like the way you look. And if you look at a lot of elderly people many of them are overweight and live healthy lives, my great grandmother lived a healthy, active life until she was 98 years old and she was a size 18 at 5’3. so I think we need to broaden our scope in terms of what’s healthy and what’s not.

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